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1. Life or death - how to interact with police
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1. Life or death - how to interact with police
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Buried in an Update last week, there was an article on the unfortunate shooting death of a CHP holder at a Costco in Las Vegas, Nevada. I am repeating the story below for those who might have missed it.
In that update, I didn't put in any comments, but I believe I should have. We don't ever want such a preventable tragedy to occur here in Virginia.
Let me start by saying that based on the story below and other accounts I have read, the police made a bad mistake right off the bat. Their mistake, which endangered a lot of lives needlessly, was to confront the gun owner, who was simply walking out of the Costco with his purchase in hand, while the gun owner was in the middle of a crowd! Why didn't the police simply wait and watch until the gun owner was away from the crowd and in a more controllable situation?
My comments on handling a confrontation with the police:
When a police officer is given a call, he really doesn't have any idea what the REAL story is. He only knows what he has been told by the dispatcher. From first-hand experience, I can tell you that I was often shocked at how different the situation was at the scene from what we had been told by the dispatcher. And it could go either way: from an urgent call turning out to be a minor incident not even justifying a report to a minor call turning out to be a violent life-and-death encounter!
If approached by police in a manner where you are clearly the target of their efforts:
* Remember that the police have NO idea who you are or if you are a good guy or a bad guy. ACCEPT THAT FACT AND MAKE NO ASSUMPTIONS THAT THE POLICE KNOW YOU ARE A GOOD GUY WITH GOOD INTENTIONS.
* COMPLETELY comply with their instructions. DO NOT argue, keep your hands visible and away from your pockets and body, move slowly and cautiously, and DO NOT EVER reach for anything, ESPECIALLY your gun in an effort to show them where it is or to turn it over to them!
* Let me say this again: COMPLY with their instructions, keep your hands visible and away from your gun, move slowly.
* If they want to disarm you, let THEM take your gun. Do NOT reach for your gun to hand it to them. In no way should you touch your gun during such an encounter. PERIOD.
* While you may be in disbelief that you are being treated as if you are a criminal, it is most likely that you are a case of mistaken identity, mistaken information (as in the story below), or something similar. There will be time to straighten out such a mistake later, but NOW is NOT the time. When things have calmed down, advise the officers that you are a CHP holder (if that is the case) and where your CHP is located.
* Be polite and as calm as possible. Your attitude can make a huge difference in how quickly the police figure out that you are a good guy.
* Unless the police immediately realize their mistake and turn you loose with an apology, ask for a lawyer and wait for legal council before making any statements.
SUMMERLIN COSTCO STORE: Slaying of Army veteran shocks friends
Man shot by police was West Point grad
By LAWRENCE MOWER
Jul. 12, 2010
The man shot by police outside a Summerlin Costco store on Saturday was a graduate of the U.S. Military Academy at West Point with a master's degree from Duke University, friends said.
Army veteran Erik Scott, 39, was at the store near Charleston Boulevard and the Las Vegas Beltway with his girlfriend before three officers fatally shot him in a confrontation.
Friends and an attorney speaking on behalf of Scott's relatives, described him as a good man from a military family. His father was in the Air Force, and his grandfather fought in World War II, friend Mike Pusateri said.
"The most loyal, honest, trustworthy, salt-of-the-earth guy you could meet," said Pusateri, 38. "You only meet one or two of those kinds of guys in your life, and Erik is one of them."
Scott worked for Boston Scientific, a medical devices manufacturer, as a sales representative for the company's pacemakers. Attorney Ross Goodman, who represents Scott's family, said Scott was one of the company's top sales employees.
Pusateri and Goodman said Scott and his girlfriend were at the Costco because they were moving in together and wanted to buy the things they needed. The two men declined to discuss the events that led to the shooting.
According to Las Vegas police, officers were called to 801 S. Pavilion Center Drive at 12:47 p.m. by a store worker who said a man was destroying merchandise. Police were told the man had a gun.
Capt. Patrick Neville described Scott as "kind of going berserk." Workers evacuated the store. Officers stopped Scott outside as the customers were leaving.
Neville said an officer tapped the man on the shoulder and identified himself as police. Scott then spun around and reached for a gun, law enforcement officials said.
"They ordered him to the ground," Neville said of the officers on Saturday. "He does not comply with that order. He reaches for the weapon, pulls the weapon out, at which time, the weapon was out of the waistband."
Three officers fired multiple times, killing Scott.
One witness interviewed Saturday and three others interviewed Sunday by the Review-Journal gave accounts that differed from what police described.
With a few minor variations, the witnesses recounted matching sequences of events. The witnesses interviewed did not see what happened inside the store that prompted workers to call police. Three of the witnesses, upset by the event, asked that their names not be published.
Once Scott was outside, none of the witnesses saw him brandish a weapon or make any movement that would seem like he was brandishing a weapon.
The first witness already had made his purchases and was waiting in line for a worker to check his receipt when he saw an officer enter the store. The officer whispered something to the worker checking the receipts. The first witness then heard that employee turn to another employee and say, "He said we should let him through."
The four witnesses described a calm rush of customers exiting the front of the store after Costco workers told everyone to leave.
Attorney David Amesbury said he arrived in time to see shoppers leaving. He described the customer exodus as being "like the aftermath of Disneyland."
A customer told Amesbury that he couldn't go in, so the attorney waited on a bench west of the entrance. He said he had a clear view of two officers standing beside the entrance with their guns drawn.
All four witnesses said they were within 20 feet of the store's main entrance. They said Scott walked out of the entrance with the crowd.
They described an officer shouting at Scott, then a quick succession of gunshots.
The witnesses differed in their recollection of what one of the officers said.
Amesbury heard, "I told you to stop. Stop."
Two witnesses interviewed Sunday heard, "Drop it."
A fourth witness, interviewed Saturday, heard, "Get down," "Put it down," or "Get out of the way."
A second anonymous witness said Sunday he saw Scott pull up his shirt and turn toward the shouting officer. Then he saw the man get shot, drop to his knees and fall face-first in front of the entrance.
"There wasn't even time for someone to react," the second witness said. "The guy didn't pull a gun. There was no gun in his hand, there was no gun on the ground."
The second witness said he was interviewed by homicide detectives and gave them the same account.
The first anonymous witness also didn't see Scott make a threat.
"I certainly did not see the guy do anything with a gun that would threaten anybody," the first witness said Sunday. "It appeared to me that if he had guns on him, that they were literally in his pocket or in his waist."
The first witness also was interviewed by homicide detectives about the shooting.
Amesbury said he did not see the man get shot, but, "When I go around the corner, I see this guy laid out. I didn't see a gun." Amesbury's view of the shooting was blocked by stone pillars. He was not interviewed by police.
Before the shooting, Scott was walking with a woman that three witnesses thought was his girlfriend. They said she became distraught after the shooting. The incident also left the witnesses shaken.
It's just incredible "with all these people around that Metro would provoke something there," the second witness said. "I don't want to second-guess the police, but wouldn't it have been better to confront him out at his car?"
After the shooting, some people in the crowd panicked. An elderly woman was knocked down and cut her elbow in the chaos, the second witness said.
Only Scott was struck by gunfire .
Police said Scott had two handguns on him when he was shot. Goodman said Scott had a concealed-weapons permit.
Pusateri said his friend was a "safety freak" around guns. He said that "absolutely not in a million years" would Scott be careless with them around others.
Scott graduated from West Point, in New York, in 1994 and was stationed for a time at Fort Hood, Texas, as a tank platoon leader. In 2003, he graduated from Duke University in North Carolina with a master's degree in business administration.
Friends said they noticed nothing strange about Scott in the days before the shooting.
On Friday, Scott's vehicle was struck by another vehicle while he was rushing a pacemaker to Summerlin Hospital Medical Center, Pusateri said. Scott was not injured in the collision, and a firefighter took the device from the crash scene to the hospital, he said.
Friends were distraught and puzzled as to why police shot and killed Scott.
"He's a stand-up guy in the community," Goodman said. "This guy is not somebody to put himself in a situation like that."
Pusateri, who also sells medical devices, said Scott worked closely with patients in his job. He called Scott's job the "pinnacle" of the business.
"It's very, very sad," Pusateri said. "I'm shocked by it. It's the tragic loss of a great man."
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2. Gun shows and events!
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As an all volunteer organization, VCDL depends on YOU to volunteer
your time at our area events, where we recruit new activists and keep
gun owners informed. No experience necessary; if it's your first time
we'll pair you with a veteran volunteer. To find out more about
helping at our gun show tables, go to:
and click on any of the blue links, or contact the coordinator for
the show/event listed below with which you are interested in helping.
Here are the upcoming events with which we need YOUR help:
a. LOUISA COUNTY http://www.louisacountyagfair.com/,
July 30-31
EM Brandy Polanowski has arranged for VCDL to have a booth at the
Louisa County Agricultural Fair this Friday and Saturday.
b. CHANTILLY http://www.cegunshows.com, July 30-August 1
Friday, July 30 3:00 p.m. - 8:00 p.m.
Saturday, July 31 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
Sunday, August 1 10:00 a.m. - 1:30 p.m. 1:30 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
Please contact Danny Paulson at
NOVAgunshows@vcdl.org to help in
Chantilly.
c. DALE CITY http://www.olddominionshows.com, August 7-8
Saturday, August 7 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
Sunday, August 8 9:00 a.m. - 12:30 p.m. 12:30 p.m. - 4:00 p.m.
Please contact Sam Childress at
NOVAgunshows@vcdl.org to help in
Dale City.
d. RICHMOND http://www.showmasters.us, August 7-8
Saturday, August 7 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
Sunday, August 8 9:00 a.m. - 12:30 p.m. 12:30 p.m. - 4:00 p.m.
Please contact David Crosby at
CentralVAgunshows@vcdl.org to help at
the Richmond Raceway Complex.
e. ROANOKE http://www.showmasters.us, August 21-22
Saturday, August 21 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
Sunday, August 22 9:00 a.m. - 12:30 p.m. 12:30 p.m. - 4:00 p.m.
Please contact Al Steed, Jr. at
SWVAgunshows@vcdl.org to help in
Roanoke.
f. FISHERSVILLE http://www.showmasters.us, August 28-29
Saturday, August 28 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
Sunday, August 29 10:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 4:00 p.m.
Please contact Bob Schmidt at
Shenandoahgunshows@vcdl.org to help in
Fishersville.
g. RICHMOND http://www.guns-knives.com, August 28-29
Saturday, August 28 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
Sunday, August 29 10:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 4:00 p.m.
Please contact Robert Herron at
Fredericksburggunshows@vcdl.org to
help at the Meadow Event Park in Doswell.
h. NORFOLK http://www.showmasters.us, September 4-5
Saturday, September 4 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
Sunday, September 5 10:00 a.m. - 1:30 p.m. 1:30 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
Please contact Ed Burton at
Norfolkgunshows@vcdl.org to help at
the Norfolk Scope.
i. SALEM http://www.cegunshows.com, September 11-12
Saturday, September 11 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
Sunday, September 12 10:00 a.m. - 1:30 p.m. 1:30 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
Please contact Al Steed, Jr. at
SWVAgunshows@vcdl.org to help in Salem.
j. HAMPTON http://www.guns-knives.com, September 18-19
Saturday, September 18 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
Sunday, September 19 10:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 4:00 p.m.
Please contact Ron Lilly at
HamptonRoadsgunshows@vcdl.org to help
in Hampton.
k. FISHERSVILLE http://www.showmasters.us, September 25-26
Saturday, September 25 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
Sunday, September 26 10:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 4:00 p.m.
Please contact Bob Schmidt at
Shenandoahgunshows@vcdl.org to help in
Fishersville.
l. FREDERICKSBURG http://www.guns-knives.com, September 25-26
Saturday, September 25 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
Sunday, September 26 10:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 4:00 p.m.
Please contact Robert Herron at
Fredericksburggunshows@vcdl.org to
help in Fredericksburg.
m. CHANTILLY http://www.cegunshows.com, October 1-3
Friday, October 1 3:00 p.m. - 8:00 p.m.
Saturday, October 2 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
Sunday, October 3 10:00 a.m. - 1:30 p.m. 1:30 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
Please contact Danny Paulson at
NOVAgunshows@vcdl.org to help in
Chantilly.
n. HARRISONBURG http://www.showmasters.us, October 9-10
Saturday, October 9 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
Sunday, October 10 10:00 a.m. - 1:30 p.m. 1:30 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
Please contact Bob Schmidt at
Shenandoahgunshows@vcdl.org to help
in Harrisonburg.
o. DALE CITY http://www.olddominionshows.com, October 9-10
Saturday, October 9 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
Sunday, October 10 9:00 a.m. - 12:30 p.m. 12:30 p.m. - 4:00 p.m.
Please contact Sam Childress at
NOVAgunshows@vcdl.org to help in
Dale City.
p. RICHMOND http://www.cegunshows.com, October 16-17
Saturday, October 16 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
Sunday, October 17 10:00 a.m. - 1:30 p.m. 1:30 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
Please contact David Crosby at
CentralVAgunshows@vcdl.org to help at
the Showplace in Mechanicsville.
q. ROANOKE http://www.showmasters.us, October 23-24
Saturday, October 23 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
Sunday, October 24 9:00 a.m. - 12:30 p.m. 12:30 p.m. - 4:00 p.m.
Please contact Al Steed, Jr. at
SWVAgunshows@vcdl.org to help in
Roanoke.
r. VIRGINIA BEACH http://www.guns-knives.com, October 23-24
Saturday, October 23 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
Sunday, October 24 10:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 4:00 p.m.
Please contact our local coordinator at
VBgunshows@vcdl.org to help
in Virginia Beach.