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VA-ALERT: Gun-grabbers now talking of confiscation
We have known all along that the ultimate goal of gun-haters is confiscation. But they have been careful to deny or conceal those desires for fear of tipping off and alarming gun owners.
But, now that gun control is all over the news, the anti-liberty crowd is feeling their oats and are gushing out their true plans.
I hope their new-found honesty continues! This will wake up more of the gun owners that are still in denial or sleeping.
In New York, the police are already starting to think about how they can confiscate guns if the law changes. Of course one proposal is to just take them from their owners - that is more commonly called "theft." The other method is a MANDATORY buy-up, where the Government would offer you a "generous" $500 for your $1,500 Bushmaster rifle and you HAVE to accept their offer. You know, just like the Mafia, making you an offer you can't refuse.
We MUST NOT GIVE UP ANY GROUND WHATSOEVER! We need to move the ball forward towards the elimination of gun-free zones, which are the killing-zones where the high body counts are racked up against state-mandated helpless victims.
From CBS New York: http://tinyurl.com/dxc7rau
Police Wonder If They’ll Need To Confiscate Assault Weapons In Event Of Ban
December 22, 2012 2:16 PM
NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) — Amid talk of reinstating the assault weapons ban that expired eight years ago, police departments nationwide are thinking of ways to confiscate such weapons.
As WCBS 880’s Marla Diamond reported, among the departments considering taking action is the NYPD. Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said if Congress were to reinstate the ban, police are wondering whether it will be their responsibility to confiscate them.
“I think that is a big, big question,” Kelly said. “Do you engage in a buyback?”
Kelly said the NYPD’s existing gun buyback has been successful.
“We’re up to about in two years, about 8500 weapons now, and that’s a significant number,” Kelly said.
But Kelly said with hundreds of millions of guns out there, buybacks are just one small part of curbing gun violence.
President Barack Obama and other lawmakers have come out in favor of re-implementing the assault weapons ban, as well as limits on the size of clips that can be used.
Mayor Michael Bloomberg has previously said the expiration of the ban has allowed weapons of war back onto the streets.
While Mayor Bloomberg said it is right for President Obama to console the grieving in Newtown, on the assault weapons ban he says it’s time for the president to stand up and lead.
Bloomberg noted that New York state has some of the toughest gun laws in the country and New York City has the lowest murder rate of any big American city.
Bloomberg is a long-time gun advocate who started “Mayors Against Guns,” which now has more than 700 members. He has been lobbying for:
• Renewal of the assault weapon ban.
• Required background checks for every gun sold right now — 40 percent of all guns are sold without background checks.
• Stronger enforcement of straw sales, where someone buys a gun for someone not eligible to own one.
• A requirement that states enter criminal and mental health records into the federal background check system.
The mayor said a shooting rampage like the one at Sandy Hook Elementary “only happens in America.” [PVC: Lying as usual - they have happened in England, Germany, Australia, France, Norway, and other countries.]
Adam Lanza used a Bushmaster .223 assault rifle to kill 26 people inside the school, including 20 children. Police said Lanza did not use the two handguns he also had with him.
Our own gun-owner-hating, won-the-last-election-by-a-squeak, Congressman Gerry Connolly, along with Senator Dianne Feinstein, and New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, are also talking confiscation:
Momentum Grows for Gun Buyback Programs, Confiscation
by Ben Shapiro 25 Dec 2012
A letter from 40 members of Congress and directed toward House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) and Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) demanded a national gun buyback program yesterday. The letter was penned by Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-VA) and Rep. Ted Deutch (D-FL). “Gun buybacks have proven successful in communities across the nation,” the open letter to House colleagues reads. “Adding $200 million to the final compromise on the fiscal cliff could remove as many as one million guns from our streets.” Such a step, said the Congressmen, would be a “simple, immediate step we can take to assure the public we are committed to taking meaningful action.”
The Democrats also argued that the gun buyback program would be a form of stimulus: “Distributing funding to the states to run buyback programs using prepaid debit cards with a three-month expiration date could provide a jolt to local economies that have stagnated in the wake of the recession and concerns over the fiscal cliff.”
These members of the House are not the first to suggest a gun buyback program. Although the letter does not suggest compulsory gun buybacks, other high-ranking politicians have. Last Friday, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) suggested a gun buyback program on the federal level. On Thursday, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo suggested, “Confiscation could be an option. Mandatory sale to the state could be an option.”
Cities across the nation are sponsoring gun buyback programs. In Los Angeles, Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa has pushed forward the date of the annual gun buyback to tomorrow. The program began in 2009, and only 8,000 weapons have been garnered since then through the program – a fraction of the thousands upon thousands of weapons in Los Angeles County (the state gun ownership rate exceeds 21 percent).
Obviously, voluntary gun buyback programs do not target criminals; they target the law-abiding gun owners. They also do not target weapons used in crimes, since no sane criminal would turn in such weapons to the authorities. The real goal of many liberal politicians like Cuomo is clearly the eventual confiscation of weapons from the general public.
A DAILY KOS STORY ON HOW REGISTRATION CAN AND SHOULD LEAD TO REGISTRATION
Here a gun-grabber lays out the case for confiscation and discusses how it can be done, step-by-step. This is very ugly, but this is what awaits us if we give in to registration or requiring background checks for private sales. VCDL will fight both of those like there is no tomorrow. Forewarned is forearmed, folks. Take a deep breath and read on:
From the dailykos.com: http://tinyurl.com/cxwvey9
How to Ban Guns: A step by step, long term process
It's nice that we're finally talking about gun control. It's very sad that it took such a terrible tragedy to talk about it, but I'm glad the conversation is happening. I hear a lot about assault weapon and large magazine bans, and whilst I'm supportive of that, it won't solve the problem. The vast majority of firearm deaths occur with handguns. Only about 5% of people killed by guns are killed by guns which would be banned in any foreseeable AWB.
Furthermore, there seems to be no talk about high powered rifles. What gun nuts don't want you to know is many target and hunting rifles are chambered in the same round (.223/5.56mm) that Lanza's assault weapon was. Even more guns are chambered for more powerful rounds, like the .30-06 or (my personal "favorite") 7.62x54R. Even a .22, the smallest round manufactured on a large scale, can kill easily. In fact, some say the .22 kills more people than any other round out there.
Again, I like that we're talking about assault weapons, machine guns, and high capacity clips. But it only takes one bullet out of one gun to kill a person. Remember the beltway sniper back in 2002? The one who killed a dozen odd people? Even though he used a bushmaster assault rifle, he only fired one round at a time before moving. He could have used literally any rifle sold in the US for his attacks.
The only way we can truly be safe and prevent further gun violence is to ban civilian ownership of all guns. That means everything. No pistols, no revolvers, no semiautomatic or automatic rifles. No bolt action. No breaking actions or falling blocks. Nothing. This is the only thing that we can possibly do to keep our children safe from both mass murder and common street violence.
Unfortunately, right now we can't. The political will is there, but the institutions are not. Honestly, this is a good thing. If we passed a law tomorrow banning all firearms, we would have massive noncompliance. What we need to do is establish the regulatory and informational institutions first. This is how we do it:
The very first thing we need is national registry. We need to know where the guns are, and who has them. Canada has a national firearms registry. We need to copy their model. We need a law demanding all firearms be registered to a national database. We need to know who has them and where they are. We need to make this as easy as possible for gun owners. The federal government provides the money and technical expertise, and the State police carry it out. Like a funded mandate. Most firearms already have a serial number on them, so it would really be a matter of taking the information already on the ATF form 4473 and putting it in a national database. I think about 6 months should be enough time.
Along with this, make private sales illegal. When a firearm is transferred, make it law that the registration must be updated. Again, make it super easy to do. Perhaps over, the internet. Dealers can log in by their FFLs and update the registration. Additionally, new guns are to be registered by the manufacturer. The object here is to create a clear paper trail from factory to distributor to dealer to owner. We want to encourage as much voluntary compliance as possible.
Now we get down to it. The registration period has passed. Now we have criminals without registered guns running around. Probably kooky types that "lost" them on a boat or something. So remember those ATF form 4473s? Those record every firearm sale, going back twenty years. And those have to be surrendered to the ATF on demand. So, we get those logbooks, and cross reference the names and addresses with the new national registry. Since most NRA types own two or (many) more guns, we can get an idea of who properly registered their guns and who didn't. For example, if we have a guy who purchased 6 guns over the course of 10 years, but only registered two of them, that raises a red flag.
Now, maybe he sold them or they got lost or something. But it gives us a good target for investigation. A nice visit by the ATF or state police to find out if he really does still have those guns would be certainly warranted. It's certainly not perfect. People may have gotten guns from parents or family, and not registered them. Perfect is the enemy of pretty darn good, as they say. This exercise isn't so much to track down every gun ever sold; the main idea would be to profile and investigate people that may not have registered their guns. As an example, I'm not so concerned with the guy who bought that bolt action Mauser a decade ago and doesn't have anything registered to his name. It's a pretty good possibility that he sold it, gave it away, or got rid of it somehow. And even if he didn't, that guy is not who I'm concerned with. I'm concerned that other guy who bought a half dozen assault weapons, registered two hunting rifles, and belongs to the NRA/GOA. He's the guy who warrants a raid.
So registration is the first step. Now that the vast majority are registered, we can do what we will. One good first step would be to close the registry to new registrations. This would, in effect, prevent new guns from being made or imported. This would put the murder machine corporations out of business for good, and cut the money supply to the NRA/GOA. As money dries up, the political capital needed for new controls will be greatly reduced.
There are a few other things I would suggest. I would suggest an immediate, national ban on concealed carry. A ban on internet sales of guns and ammunition is a no brainer. Microstamping would also be a very good thing. Even if the only thing it does is drive up costs, it could still lead to crimes being solved. I'm willing to try every advantage we can get.
A national Firearms Owner Identification Card might be good, but I'm not sure if it's necessary if we have a national database. We should also insist on comprehensive insurance and mandatory gun safes, subject to random, spot checks by local and federal law enforcement.
We must make guns expensive and unpopular, just like cigarettes. A nationwide, antigun campaign paid for by a per gun yearly tax paid by owners, dealers, and manufacturers would work well in this regard. We should also segway into an anti-hunting campaign, like those in the UK. By making hunting expensive and unpopular, we can make the transition to a gun free society much less of a headache for us.
I know this seems harsh, but this is the only way we can be truly safe. I don't want my kids being shot at by a deranged NRA member. I'm sure you don't either. So lets stop looking for short term solutions and start looking long term. Registration is the first step.
Tell Pres. Obama and democrats in congress to demand mandatory, comprehensive gun registration. It's the only way we can ban guns with any effectiveness.